thank you for watching. i'll hand you off to my friend and colleague hallie jackson. >> i'm hallie jackson in washington. democrats are starting to walk out of an emergency closed door meeting in a morning of breaking developments on capitol hill. the house speaker trying to keep her caucus in line making her case as the impeachment drum beat gets louder. has the dam broken? in a minute we'll hear from one lawmaker inside the room about what went down and all happening as steven mnuchin faces fire. let's listen to what nancy pelosi has to say. >> excuse me. right now the judiciary committee is marking up the dream act and we have our legislative agenda that we're moving forward on. it was a very positive meeting, respectful sharing of ideas and i think very impressive presentation by our chairs. we do believe that it's

important to follow the facts. we believe that no one is above the law, including the president of the united states. and we believe the president of the united states is engaged in a cover up. in a cover up. and that was the measure. thank you. >> some of your members on impeachment, is that part of the persuasion? >> persuasion, we were exchanging information. really, we had this -- >> can you still have that meeting with all of this happening? >> house speaker nancy pelosi referencing her meeting at the white house later this morning. she is still planning to attend after having what she called a respectful exchange of ideas with democrats. kasie hunt on the hill and kristen welker with our analysts and guests here with us. nancy pelosi gave what i think you would say is an expected read out of that meeting.

calling it respectful and they talked about the oversight of the president and she got the question at the end if she could still have the face-to-face with president trump given where some of her members are on impeachment. >> that's right. she did present this in an upbeat way and i think you heard her hit what we know are the key points that leadership are trying to outline coming out of this meeting. members received a sort of handout on the way in. they want to emphasize a couple things. one that house democrats are following the facts to uncover the truth for the american people. underscoring the idea that no one is above the law. the administration must be held accountable and you heard nancy pelosi just say there that she thinks the president is engaged in a cover up. that, of course, is a pretty loaded term that harkens back to watergate and other instances of this. but, of course, this sheet of paper does not include the word anywhere on it, impeachment. so, i think what you can take away from this is that nancy

pelosi, who is very good about, you know, picking her position. she is very confident in her own instincts and where she thinks things stand and being absolutely unwavering in that position. and i think so far you've seen her be unmoved. so, we're still, obviously, getting trickles of information out of this meeting. these members are still, i'm looking over my shoulder here to see who else is coming out of this meeting down the hallway. congresswoman ocasio-cortez. how was the meeting in there? were you satisfied with what leadership had to say? >> i was satisfy would the openness of the conversation -- >> do you feel like your caucus is ready to launch impeachment proceedings? >> i think we're having thoughtful conversations and that's the most important thing. >> there you have it, hallie. she, of course, told me yesterday that she felt that she was ready to begin impeachment. that, you know, the question for me is that shared by kind of a broad swath of her colleagues.

many of whom, she was obviously elected in a primary in a very democratically held district. many of her freshman colleagues are not in the same position. that is one major question from a political perspective. from a legal perspective, some of the factors that they're weighing. primarily, they have some victories they could point to. the recent decision by a court judge and the intelligence committee. that is kind of another argument that is coming from leadership. hey, stick with the plan. this plan is going to work. now, whether that is going to hold for the next year is the question, hallie. >> kasie hunt, thanks. stay close to a camera and we're coming back to you with any updates or developments. kristen, it's interesting. nancy pelosi describes president trump being engaged in a cover up and within the next hour she is going to be meeting with him, heading over to the white house for this meeting at the oval office. >> to be a fly on the wall in that meeting, hallie. we hope she comes out and talks

to us afterwards and gives us a read out. this meeting was initially supposed to be focused on infrastructure. president trump sent a letter overnight saying, hey, i think we should focus on getting that passed first. that trade deal with canada and mexico. but all eyes are going to be on what is happening on capitol hill. the talk of impeachment. president trump has been lashing out about it all morning long saying the witch-hunt continues. saying that the democrats want a do over. and i had a chance to ask sarah huckabee sanders, hallie, about a democratic theory. nancy pelosi among those. take a listen to that exchange. >> democrats say the president is goating them to impeach him? >> that's absurd. the president is focused on doing his job. it would be nice if the democrats would show up to do

theirs. >> heading into 2020. >> no basis for it. it's absurd on its face. that's why there is no support for it out in the country. the numbers have shown in poll after poll that there is not support for it. >> for a lot of democrats on capitol hill, hallie, the real breaking point when it came to impeachment happened yesterday when the president's former white house counsel don mcgahn was a no show to show up and testify on capitol hill. after that happened, you sort of heard the chorus of voices growing louder for impeachment and then you also saw democrats take another move. they really dug in. they subpoenaed mcgahn's former chief of staff and also hope hicks the former communication's director here. just moments ago president trump tweeting about the mueller report, again. he is fired up heading into this meeting. could be some fire, withes, f. >> let me bring in democratic

congressman mark of wisconsin. just yesterday, congressman, you called for the start of an impeachment inquiry. let me ask you this. did impeachment come up in that closed door meeting this morning? >> yes. i think what we had the big conversation about is the extensive amount of work being covered by six main committees that are looking at everything to the president's taxes to what we're trying to do is get the answers from the mueller report. >> did you feel that there was a consensus on impeachment one way or the other whether to move forward or pump the brakes as you heard speaker pelosi say? >> the conversation was really about what wire all trying to do to get the truth for the american people and how hard it is because this president continues to obstruct. it is starting to look more like a cover up and that he doesn't let anyone come and testify before congress. if you are an instant man. this is my wisconsin smell test. if you're an innocent man, you would give them a ride to testify and give them a bottle

of water and want them to fully open up and explain why he's innocent. if you say no one can come before congress and answer the very things that mr. mueller said. it's up to congress to decide if there is obstruction certainly doesn't look like someone who is innocent. yesterday for me was the straw that broke the camel's back when another witness couldn't testify and we can't let the president continue to disrespect the american people like he is. it is not about, as he says, that we want to do a do over. we want to see the score. we can't see the score because we can't get anyone to come and talk about what is in a very long report that most people in america have not read. members of congress have and that's why we really need people to get before congress and testify. >> you talk about not continuing to let the president be, in your view, disrespectful. so, what are democrats going to do about that? what is the next step here? is it contempt if not impeachment and fines moving forward on some of these

officials who have not appeared? what have you decided on? >> many options we have and we will use every legal resource we have. right now just this week alone we are in two courts trying to get more information. but the bottom line is, when the president stops witnesses from coming to congress that can answer questions that we have to ask on behalf of the american people, that becomes obstruction. that becomes a potential cover up. and that is why i think people like myself finally yesterday had had it with the way the white house is behaving on this. >> you say impeachment did come in on the closed door conversation that democrats just had. who brought it up? >> it was a number of members. i think what we're all talking about is what is the point where you can no longer take the president refusing to cooperate at all with congress. at what point is the disrespect of the american people hit a point that we have to decide as a group what to do. for many of us an impeachment inquiry would give us more ability to get witnesses to come

to congress. we're just trying to figure out how to get the truth and whatever tool that may be at the end, i don't care what it is called. what i care about it is we have a way to get witnesses to congress and answer the questions that are in the mueller report so the american people actually know what those ten charges of obstruction are. we need to have a real conversation about it. >> our team at nbc news tallied up the number of democratic lawmakers calling for impeachment or impeachment inquiries to move forward. you can see them on our screen now, at least our viewers can. 12% of the caucus. 11.75%, to be quite exact. what does that number need to get to? how many more lawmakers need to be on board for that for nancy pelosi to change her mind? >> every time the president tries to obstruct us and cover up what is in that report is another day that you'll find another member come out and say, that's it. we have to have impeachment inquiries to compel witnesses to

come. >> so far lawmakers from these blue states, congressman. does nancy pelosi have a point when she talks about needing to protect folks not in those state districts? >> that should be beyond the question. to me, a constitutional duty, right? if the president violated the constitution, which i think he has. my job whether i like it or not to look at something like impeachment because ultimately that's what our job is to do. that's where you are starting to see members of congress look at that. for many of us, just a matter of time. what point, what witness that doesn't come to congress because the president doesn't let them. is that the straw that breaks their camel's back? that is the point most of us are at. >> real quick, congressman, before i let you go. are you satisfied with nancy pelosi and how she's handling this right now? >> nancy pelosi is a very experienced lawmaker and i think she is doing what she thinks is in the best interest. we have six committees working on this and for a lot of us, all reporters want to talk about is impeachment and the only way we

can lower prescription drug prices and lift people's wages and build our infrastructure is to maybe start that inquiry query process so we can compel those witnesses and then we can talk about the good work that we're actually doing every single day in congress. so, in a way, we can walk and chew gum at the same time and have reporters ask about both aspects of it. >> okay, congressman, we'll leave it there, thank you for joining us. bringing in elliot williams former assistant attorney general and kimberly atkins and shawna thomas, washington bureau chief. really reporters just want to ask about impeachment. many democrats want to talk about that, as well. your reaction from what we just heard from the congressman. >> clearly everybody is thinking about impeachment. the thing that is interesting as we compare and part of what nancy pelosi is doing. she remembers the clinton impeachment and what that did to the republican party. the question is, do we live in the same media universe that we lived in then?

right now the president of the united states was able to take the mueller report and say no collusion and sort of spin it. i am wondering now, as i think about this more and more, without the impeachment banner, can they get the level of attention and america's attention on the issues that they want to focus on without putting it under the impeachment banner? we do live in a much more media fractured society than we lived in then. yes, all the focus was there. can you get that kind of focus without calling it impeachment? i don't know if you can at this point. >> you heard it from nancy pelosi and congressman pocan, the president being engaged in a cover up. that sure seems like the point of coming out of this meeting that we'll hear from democrats. >> what is clear here the democrats, particularly those calling for an impeachment proceeding have moved beyond the mueller report, right. up until now it was really focused on that. now they're focused on what the president is doing now. ordering people not to appear before congress and that the straw that really broke the camel's back was the refusal of don mcgahn to show up.

so, i think this is an entirely different thing. i think this is something that democrats can agree upon, even if they don't agree that impeachment hearings should start. this is something that is unacceptable and the president is undermining the role of congress here and take it away from the mueller report which he used as a victory lap and moved forward from there. i have not heard until congressman pocan you can impeach, i think that's an interesting new argument that we haven't heard before. but i think really the focus right now is congress' role as oversight. >> here's what is interesting to me right now, if i wasn't on the air with you guys, i would call to see, nancy pelosi said he was engaged in a cover up and literally she is headed over there in 45 minutes from now. he's watching television and has a full grasp of this and this question of robert mueller and when he will appear in front of the committee. our reporter as well as "washington post" an impasse of

how much of his testimony will end up public or not. >> coming from the justice department, they don't want intelligence information getting out or law enforcement getting out. particularly since they're building a case for either impeachment or continued oversight of the president of the united states and a healthy functioning government which i would have hoped we had, that would be a normal dispute. let's be clear, the american people need to hear from robert mueller now. a fundamental dispute over the scope of that report that can, that will inform a lot of what congress needs to be doing over the next several months. so, i'm pretty confident they will come to some agreement. but it needs to happen and i think america needs to hear from him pretty soon. >> thank you very much. stick around. we have much more to get to including our live report from virginia. an investigation now over a scandal that nearly brought down the governor. the medical school about to share in the fight over tax

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exchange at a hearing that is actually happening now. watch. >> we know what he is hiding. he doesn't want anybody to see him. >> i don't think he's hiding anything. >> so you don't know. are you aware then that by denying this that you are in direct violation of the law? >> no, absolutely not. i have been advised i am not violating the law. i never would have done anything that violated the law and i have been advised if i turned them over, i would be -- >> let me move on, sir. >> here is the thing. democrats are armed with maybe some new ammo this morning in their fight to get their hands on those tax returns. draft irs memo first obtained by "washington post" that says the tax returns must be given to congress. there's a catch. unless the president takes the step of invoking executive privilege. "the post" writes the memo contradicts justification for denying lawmakers request for president trump's tax returns

exposing the executive branch. the memo also seems to underkout the treasury secretary reason for denying the house weiays an means committee for denying returns for six years. here to talk jeff stein and i'm joined by tax attorney william who reviewed that for "the post." nice to have you two experts here with us. jeff, let me start with you. steven mnuchin denied the democrats' request for the tax returns. it is mandatory that the secretary disclose returns unless executive privilege comes out. what do you expect democrats to do with this new info? >> i think it will feature prominently in their upcoming court case. obviously, democrats have said that they're likely to take this to dc federal court to compel the administration to turn over these records. this is, as you said, potential ammo to say, look, someone in the irs may not be the chief counsel himself and not the irs

commissioner but someone internally perhaps one of the people whose job it is to understand this law thinks that the irs is compelled to give this information over. so, yes. to your point, i think it will very likely feature in their upcoming arguments. >> one lawmaker congresswoman jennifer wexman of virginia did ask about it in the last couple minutes. i will play it. >> you are at least aware that the conclusion of that memo contradicts the memo you're relying upon. >> i don't believe that is the case. that memo is addressing a different issue and not addressing the issue that we in the department of justice looked at. >> is the secretary right, bill? >> i don't believe so. the memorandum addresses executive privilege and dealing with disclosure. overall in reading precludes using executive privilege for

this turning returns over to the congressional tax writing committees. the tax writing committees by statute and constitutional powers are entitled to request tax returns and tax return information. and it shall be turned over, according to the statute that they're asking and requesting this information. >> if the president evokes executive privilege, does he have a legal leg to stand on? >> i don't think so. executive privilege to policies and actions that say the president is going to take in discussions with one of his cabinet members about policy or whether they're going to take particular action in dealing with something in the government. it does not apply to his tax returns being turned over to the tax writing committee. >> jeff, you're also pointing out in your piece this morning as we said at the top of this segment that it does represent the memo, a real division inside the trump administration. explain that and how it might play out. >> the core of the distinction

here is in denying a request, treasury secretary mnuchin said lack proper justification, essentially, for requesting the documents. but the irs memo we obtained said explicitly that the committee does not need any justification, much less a good one to obtain the document. that is really mnuchin today has sort of backed off of that and said, not backed off of it, but defended himself and said, look, constitutional questions here that are not relevant to the irs memo. some people might say that is a legitimate thing to argue, but either way, there's clearly a split. >> clearly. and is it unusual, bill, if your experience working for this agency, is it par for the course and standard operating procedure? >> it would have been requested by the treasury department to the commissioner. the commissioner would have

passed it on to the chief counsel and the chief counsel would have the request and assign it to a division of attorneys to work on it. they respond to this question in a memo from the treasury secretary. and this is what they're writing and research would show. there's a very well-written opinion and i think it's really on point. there is no need for legislative authority for them requesting this tax return information. >> we'll see how that holds up in court. bill, thanks for coming on. jeff stein, good to see you from "washington post." how the cookie crumbled for ben carson in a moment that has now gone viral involving oreos and what it says about how he's running a critical administration agency. >> are you familiar with what it is? >> with what?

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democratic leadership get ready to head to the white house in a matter of minutes. here's what she said about the president right before heading down pennsylvania avenue. >> would you believe that it's important to follow the facts? believe that no one is above the law, including the president of the united states. and we believe that the president of the united states is engaged in a cover up. >> strong words from speaker pelosi there. we'll check back in on the hill in just a minute. we'll keep an eye on the white house for when she and the other democratic leaders arrive for the meeting with the president. something else that has been bubbling up on capitol hill because you, you might be forgiven for confusing milk's favorite cookie with a common real estate acronym but you are not the secretary of housing and urban development. he did confuse the two in a moment that exploded some heads in washington. >> i'd also like you to get back to me, if you don't mind, to explain the disparity in reo

rates. do you know what an reo? >> an oreo. >> r-e-o. >> real estate -- >> what does the o stand for? >> real estate owned. >> secretary ben carson later tweeted a picture, this one, with a box of double stuffed oreos and sent a box to the congresswoman who questioned him, katie porter. that moment grabbed all the eyeballs and another moment that you may not have heard about that is having an actual real world impact. literally a matter of life or death and suppflying under the radar. hans nichols at the white house and susie kim along with kimberly atkins and shana thomas on set. i want to get to her reporting in a second, but new reaction from the white house to this viral moment with secretary carson and from the congresswoman, too, katie porter who questioned him. >> katie porter is not pleased with the response and part of

the frustration stems from something larger than one exchange, hallie. a big deal with how hud is being developed and run under this administration. secretary carson has actually defended budget cuts up to 10% of 2019 levels. he talked about eliminating community block grants and that question of that $31,000 mahogany table. so, serious bipartisan concerns how hud is being run by secretary carson. i asked sarah sanders how she thinks secretary carson is doing. here is her response. >> how does the president feel ben carson is doing over at hud? >> he has a great deal of confidence in secretary carson. he is doing a tremendous job and supportive of the work he's doing over there. >> hallie, normally you know when a cabinet official has a great deal of confidence and the president says he has a great deal of confidence that can sometimes be a sign that they're

on their way out. it doesn't seem that way with secretary carson. remember just a few days ago the president talking saying his people, he made light of the fact that when he picked secretary carson. secretary carson almost laughed and didn't think it was a serious proposal and then the president went on to praise him saying he is doing a great job and he is a quick study. hallie. >> hans, thank you. hans is right a lot of issues in the hud hearing and specifically one that relates to a really critical investigation that you worked on that we covered on this show regarding carbon monoxide detectors. hud does not require them. 13 people who live in hud housing have died from carbon monoxide poisoning since 2003. the secretary responded to that. here's what he said. >> regrettably, there's currently no universal requirement that carbon monoxide detectors be installed in all hud assisted housing.

that is wrong. >> a big acknowledgment from the secretary. >> the first time he has publ publicly spoken about this issue. hud's response to our investigation and our findings. at least four people have died just from the beginning of this year from carbon monoxide poisoning in hud-assisted housing. when hud first asked them for a response, their response was, oh, hey, well, we'll get to that eventually. we'll include that in a reform effort. we're looking at the entire inspection system and we'll get to it later. now they're promising swift action. carcage acknowledged the fact that this is something that hud has done that put lives at risk and that hud's mission is to protect the safety and health of its residents. >> it's such an important issue and remarkable what has been done or not been done until this

week. hud agreed to pay $5 million for carbon monoxide detectors. more of a sense of urgency. give us an update on where that stands. the secretary based on his comments over the last 24 hours does have a better sense that they have to deal with this and deal with this now. >> it's clear that hud is reacting to something. they're reacting to public pressure, outrage, media attention on this issue and they're scrambling to do something about it. so the $5 million is significant. the first concrete step they have taken. promised to do all sorts of things but this is something that is real and material. they say they have to go through this whole rulemaking process that could take quite a while. they say, though, that if acknowledged now that congress could pass a bill that they say would help expedite this entire process and provide more funding. both the house and senate have nu introduced bills that would provide detectors and produce funding. not we're sitting and waiting

around for congress to do something about that and we know how that can go sometimes. >> to suzy's point the broader issue was not about cookies and oreo, but about the disparity in low-income housing and how that affects different families around this country. so, she was asked about that this morning on "morning joe." how ben carson responded to her. i want to play you what she had to say. >> he had a package of oreos delivered to me. what i want from mr. carson is answers for the american people. >> do you think secretary carson should be in that position? let me put it to you flatly. >> no, i do not. >> i mean, i think his staff didn't quite realize what they were doing when they sent those oreos. the thing is, she was asking a very serious question about low-income housing and foreclosure issues. one, to not know what the acronm stood for and then to make light of it. a bone head proposition to send

heraic a package of oreos. the better thing would have been to answer her question afterwards. i haven't heard this sound bite yet, but let's play it. >> i suspect when katie porter was an expert in this area, things were very different. that's why i invited her to speak with our staff that deals with these so they can bring her up to date. maybe she would then be able to understand what is going on. >> wow. that's remarkable being that we saw in the hearing that it was katie porter who was actually asking him the questions that he didn't know. not the other way around. ben carson has been at the head of hud for two years now and didn't understand a basic term referring to foreclosure. something that is a crucial problem. the disparity between fha borrowers more likely to lose

their homes is an important issue. so to suggest that it was the congresswoman is quite the response. >> even part of that response he could have given yesterday. he could have said, that is an interesting topic. we need to talk about it. why don't i bring you in and your staff and have this conversation and see how it goes forward. the key is, every time he seems to be missing the opportunity to actually learn himself and then also do something. >> i think one of the issues regarding hud systemically for years under previous administrations, too, is lack of leadership inside the bureaucracy. this is what i heard from covering hud and talking to career employees. there needs to be a sense of urgency and a recognition that, no, the hud secretary is not going to recognize everything. >> suzy, thank you so much. han nichols. thank you. head back to capitol hill now where kelly o'donnell is keeping reaction from democrats who walked out of that closed door meeting this morning with nancy pelosi.

kelly, we understand impeachment came up, as well. >> the underpinning amoin this meeting among by speaker pelosi that they will pursue accountability and one of the things that she said is that the trump administration is engaged in a cover up, one of the most significant in modern times. those were the points that house leadership wanted for democratic members and to focus on the six committees that have already been doing work. pursuing everything from the financial side of things to the intelligence side of things. and we've been watching, of course, jerry nadler and others who had varying degrees of success or have been hit with some of the road blocks put up by the trump administration. as members were leaving, we got a sampling of some of their opinions. here is seattle area democrat representative and her views on what was said inside that

meeting. >> it was about updating people on where we are. you know, there's a lot of work that is happening on different levels and i'm not sure that everybody in congress is aware of all the different pieces. so, it was really articulating that for everybody. every single one of the committee chairs relevant jurisdictions. >> how long did the speaker speak and what was her message to all of you? >> she just said she was so proud of all the different chairs. >> so, part of what you get there is the idea of wanting to give members who have perhaps speeding up the train towards an impeachment process a little bit more information about the specific things these six committees have done. when you think about it in terms of democratic members who might belong to a couple committees, they're not experts on everything that is being pursued at each level. each of the chairman of these key committees were able to make a presentation about the kind of areas they are pursuing in oversight and investigation of the trump administration.

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we have some more breaking news now into us at msnbc. federal prosecutors have unsealed copies of search warrants for michael cohen's personal e-mail account as well as his trump org e-mail account, too. tom winter is joining us on the phone with details. tom, what are we learning from these newly unsealed warrants? >> hallie a little bit of a better picture here this morning as far as when michael cohen first popped on robert mueller's radar and more of a timeline when they started seeking access and the e-mail address that you referenced there. we're starting to get a better sense of the timeline and also some of the things that investigators were looking at. they were looking at, they were looking at possible bank fraud and we discussed that, obviously, at length over the past year or so, particularly after michael cohen pleaded guilty to some of that fraud.

they were also looking into whether or not part of a customer. banks have to know why you're opening a bank account and what the purpose is of opening that bank account is when you're opening a business. and they said that cohen made some misrepresentations to that bank saying he was only going to be doing domestic business and instead doing business with a number of foreign companies that we reported about a south korea and some of those things that investigators were looking around at. whether michael cohen was working on behalf of a foreign government or a foreign agent. a lot of that we knew. what we were hoping here at this point, hallie was to find out what michael cohen to investigators in the first place and with three and a half pages redacted in these documents,

hallie. something that is still shrouded m in mystery. >> thank you for hopping on the phone and i know you'll continue to sift through all of that. news in the 2020 world and 100-year storm. one elections expert at the university of florida is predicting for 2020. why? the estimate voter turn out could be as high as 67%, according to axios. that would be the highest it would be in more than 100 years since at least 1960. that is pretty good news if you're one of the 20 democrats running for president who, by the way, are scrambling to nail down their spots on the debate stage. three more weeks to qualify for that first debate set for next month on nbc news and here on msnbc. one of those democrats joins me now. former colorado governor and 2020 candidate john hickenlooper. thanks for being back on the show. >> thanks, hallie. thanks for having me back. >> you have rolled out an ambitious new policy related to guns and notably you are

proposing a licensing test, if you will. kind of like what you have to do to get a driver's license in this country to be able to purchase and own a firearm. how do you convince opponents who wouldn't be for this? >> first we have to frame and recognize that we have one mass shooting a day. that's what our culture has been accepting and, you know, as a governor of colorado, purple state, we were the first purple state to get universal background checks passed and limited capacity magazines. what i'm proposing is that we go a little bit further and just as we, you know, require young people to pass a test and handle a vehicle safely and responsibly and when they're turning 21 and they want to buy a gun, they can handle and store weapons securely and it's not that big a jump because in most states we have hunter safety set ups.

with my son a few years ago we took hunter safety together as a right of passage and, you know, the weapons we're talking about, assault weapons, are much more, have the potential to be much more damaging to society than the weapons used for hunting. >> and colorado, of course, is a state that has seen its share of gun violence in horrific ways. i know you were governor at the time of the arourora movie shooting. you will likely face a divided congress. how do you get a sweeping plan like this through congress when others have tried and failed to do so in the past? >> you know, i had a divided legislature six out of my eight years out of colorado and again and again we were able to show people that we would bring people together and get big, progressive things done that people said couldn't be done. i think a lot of it is you have to go and listen and work with people and, again, one mass shooting a day. i think republican legislatures,

they are going to ignore that at their own risk. >> let me ask you about something else making headlines this morning, governor. related to impeachment and president trump. you know there is that closed door meeting with democrats earlier on the house side. you said last month that democrats should put the brakes essentially on impeachment talk until we hear more are from robert mueller. given everything that has happened, has your view changed? >> no, i think we're still -- i want to see the full unredacted report. i'd like mr. mueller to testify before congress. i think speaker pelosi, i mean she has a moral gps. and she keeps coming back to the things like accountability and that there is a cover juns is a. so let's keep following where the evidence leads us. that is how you get to the bottom of things. >> and in addition to what we've talked about so far, gun issues, impeachment issues, there is also abortion rights. some 30 states have introduced

now revehicle differenstrictive measures. if you are elected president, will you commit to nominating only judges including supreme court justices who will commit to upholding roe v. wade? >>le wel lwell, of course. i believed in roe v. wade my whole life. we decided many, many years ago that women should have the right to decide their own -- what happens to their bodies. they should make the decisions concerning their bodies in every single case. and i think that what is going on now, i never thought i'd see it. in colorado, we actually bewent and provided the choices to women that if they wanted to get long acting reverse able contraception, they wanted to decide when they were going to start a family, we would provide that to them and over the laand had year, we've reduced teenage pregnancy and abortion by 60%. let's give women the right to

control their own body. >> john hickenlooper, thank you very much for being back on the show. my colleagues will talk with mayor bill de blasio live at 1:00 eastern. and we also want to get to developing news out of virginia. new information on what has been a convoluted political puzzle. you are looking live at a picture from eastern virginia, the medical school there is announcing the results of their independent investigation. this investigation could not determine how a racist picture ended up in a 1984 year book page for virginia's governor, ralph northam. the report says that no individual that we interviewed has told us from person allege knowledge that the governor is in the photograph. and no individual with knowledge has come forward to report that the governor is in the photograph as well. still ahead, new concerns about tomorrow's early release of a california man dubbed the american taliban following reports that he still has

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john walker lynn, the american taliban, admitted his guilt and in a deal worked out

with prosecutors, now spend a maximum of 20 years in prison. >> legal sources say despite the passionate rhetoric, many government lawyers felt that life sentence was too harsh given what lynn actually did. >> that is tom brokaw and pete williams on "nightly news" from july of 2002, talking about john walk walker lindh after being captured. and he will be released tomorrow. pete williams who you saw in that clip has covered this story from the beginning. pete, talk to us about why lindh is being released and maybe put into context what it was like when this arrest happened. >> he is being released now because he was sentenced to 20 years, but in the federal system there is no parole, but there is time off for in either sense good be may have. so doing the calculation, it came out to 17 years. and it seemed obvious when he

was sentenced that he would only serve 17 years. so there is also a three year probation term. and the judge has impeased a very unusual set of restrictions on john lindh when gets out tomorrow. any internet device that he uses has to be approved by the probation office, it has to be monitored, he can't speak to anyone in a foreign language, he can't look at extremist isist i. he has said that he hoped to go to ireland, but that didn't seem like it will happen. the reason for the concern is this. when john walker lindh pleaded guilty, the story that you just saw the beginning of there, he said te said tearfully that he renounced any connection with terrorism or jihadist groups, that if he had known what he knew then, what he was -- when he was sentenced, he never would have gone to afghanistan, he never would have hooked up with the taliban.

but intelligence officials have said that during his time in prison, he has remained a committed jihadist. and one of the controversial things about this case is that he was found in a prison in afghanistan. and he was interviewed actually there by american agents. and shortly after that, there was an uprising at the prison in which an american cia agent named johnny michael spann was killed. and there has always been a question in the mind of his parents whether lindh had a hand in that. so it remains controversial. >> i know you'll be on top of this. appreciate it. that does it for us. right now we have much more news with craig melvin who is up in new york. hey, pal, you have a busy show today. >> oh, yes, i feel like every day is a busy one. hallie jackson, thank you. good morning to you.

it is in fact a very busy morning. in the nation's capital specifically. nancy pelosi just walking out of a meeting focused entirely on whether to impeach the president of the united states and she said president trump is engaged in a coverup. now she is about to walk into a meeting with the president to try to strike a deal on infrastructure. one would assume that the president heard what she said. that meeting roughly 15 minutes from now. and we're also following breaking news, new search warrants from the michael cohen case have been unsealed. but we start with two critical meetings this morning. one, one about to begin, the other just wrapping up. president trump set to sit down with chuck schumer and congressional democrats in just a few minutes. the focus of that